What is "trolling"?

[Methpoodle]

And the award for the forums biggest attention whore goes to...... (music plays) k4far

[Aidy]

People are saying my previous thread was a "controversy" where is a rule about it and it was taken down regardless of being actual suggestion in SUGGESTIONS section. Having undescribed words like "trolling" for rules is giving too much freedom to me and moderators as well.

You are showing a little bit of selective comprehension. No-one has said "controversy" is trolling, numerous people have said that posting something solely with the intent of provoking anger and negative reaction is trolling. If you're saying your other thread was a genuine suggestion and you genuinely don't know why it was considered trolling then maybe that's something for you to work on personally, but most normal people would consider it a troll thread simply posted to annoy others.

[k4far]

You are showing a little bit of selective comprehension. No-one has said "controversy" is trolling, numerous people have said that posting something solely with the intent of provoking anger and negative reaction is trolling. If you're saying your other thread was a genuine suggestion and you genuinely don't know why it was considered trolling then maybe that's something for you to work on personally, but most normal people would consider it a troll thread simply posted to annoy others.

People are trying to define "trolling" as making people "upset" or posting something "controversial" I find it abuse.

Methpoodle sorry for using forum cpt. obvious.

[ryvrdrgn14]

Trolling is less effective when people are not on a hair-trigger about certain topics.

[Aidy]

People are trying to define "trolling" as making people "upset" or posting something "controversial" I find it abuse.

No-one (that I can see) has said that.

[k4far]

Trolling is less effective when people are not on a hair-trigger about certain topics.

I have never expected this project to attract the bugmen community so much.

No-one (that I can see) has said that.

Posting something controversial with the intention of provoking a negative reaction.

You only see what you want to see Aidy you are THAT kind of person.

[Aidy]

You only see what you want to see Aidy you are THAT kind of person.

You focused on the "controversial" part and ignored the "with the intention of provoking a negative reaction".

The other definition you were given;

"Posting with the intentional motive to make someone or a potential group angry. Emphasis on the "intentional" part."

Also mentions the intentional part. So both definitions mentioned that the intention is to provoke a reaction yet you ignored that.

[k4far]

You focused on the "controversial" part and ignored the "with the intention of provoking a negative reaction".

The other definition you were given;

"Posting with the intentional motive to make someone or a potential group angry. Emphasis on the "intentional" part."

Also mentions the intentional part. So both definitions mentioned that the intention is to provoke a reaction yet you ignored that.

You ignore the word "controversial" to focus on provoking reaction. It's not in anyones power to predict the reaction of triggerable people who are offended with everything. Do not abuse definitions to shut people down it's an open forum you people like it or not.

[k4far]

Example of Linko: his tweet regardless of his intention caused negative reaction from overly triggerable people who made fake outrage and had him fired.

[Aidy]

You ignore the word "controversial" to focus on provoking reaction. It's not in anyones power to predict the reaction of triggerable people who are offended with everything. Do not abuse definitions to shut people down it's an open forum you people like it or not.

I didn't ignore it, I simply pointed out it wasn't the overriding point. Obviously if you're trolling then what you post is controversial, so trolling is posting controversial things, but posting controversial things isn't always trolling. The deciding factor on if posting controversial things is trolling or not is the intent. If you did it purely to rile people then it is trolling. Often the controversial things posted when trolling have little merit which is why it makes it easier to determine if a post is a troll or not, however it's not always clear-cut.

And yes it is an open forum which is why when you post things I don't agree with it is within my rights to tell you I don't agree and why I don't agree which is what I'm doing right now.

[k4far]

I didn't ignore it, I simply pointed out it wasn't the overriding point. Obviously if you're trolling then what you post is controversial, so trolling is posting controversial things, but posting controversial things isn't always trolling. The deciding factor on if posting controversial things is trolling or not is the intent. If you did it purely to rile people then it is trolling. Often the controversial things posted when trolling have little merit which is why it makes it easier to determine if a post is a troll or not, however it's not always clear-cut.

And yes it is an open forum which is why when you post things I don't agree with it is within my rights to tell you I don't agree and why I don't agree which is what I'm doing right now.

You still make something exploitable an actual rule. Why do some of us get the freedom of interpretation just precisely define things and follow definitions. Emotions should not result in rule enforcement.

[Aidy]

You still make something exploitable an actual rule. Why do some of us get the freedom of interpretation just precisely define things and follow definitions. Emotions should not result in rule enforcement.

Unfortunately you can't tell people's intent so at some point someone needs to make a judgement call, and that will be a moderator. Sometimes they might get things wrong, and some will be better than others. It's not a perfect system but it's the only system we have.

[k4far]

What other systems have you tried? It's not like the only one you have.

[Lars]

The word itself derives from a fishing method when you drive a boat with lures dragging behind it. It has nothing to do with trolls, like many people seem to think it does.

A person trolling is after the reaction of the "bite". Whatever it may be.

[ReWired]

Do you ever get the feeling that maybe some people might want this project to fail?

[ryvrdrgn14]

That's a given. It's wise to always keep an eye out.

[k4far]

Do you ever get the feeling that maybe some people might want this project to fail?

I wish this forum changes for the better or is dropped as this project goes. Website doing accurate video game reviews is a must have but copy of Reddit is unecessary. It's roughly 60 people online now. If you had a forum for The Quartering the number of active people would be much higher.

[ReWired]

What would you qualify as a change for the better?

[k4far]

Section for my shitposts, not giving a shit about people saying they are "offended" as long as things are not gore or illegal. Freedom of speech with no rules unless direct insults. Moderators would watch for things that are illegal and direct attacks on somebody and keeping this place more or less about games but we would also discuss the people funding fake video game media coverage.

[k4far]

If I wanted a safe space and only positivity I would be reading "verified" official Reddit of some AAA title. Might feel nice but leads nowhere.