How EU's copyright reform (Article 13 and link-tax) will ruin gaming for Europe

[Aidy]

If you're not mature enough to admit you're wrong, and not even smart enough to just stop posting when you find out you're wrong, then maybe starting threads isn't for you.

[Animusisters]

This is obviously a primarely political issue, since not only games are affected.

[k4far]

This is obviously a primarely political issue, since not only games are affected.

Is that an anime avatar? Obviously


Sorry I had to. But you know, we are not discussing EU's hidden agenda but effects on video game industry, reviewers, youtubers, let'splayers etc.

[Phabe Jewell]

>Aidy is against piracy and is for article 13

this is one spicy meatball

[k4far]

If you follow the tales of Article 13 and the reason behind it it's not serving creators like the guy making music you like but company milking him no additional money will go to the dude you are a fan of *flies away*.

[Unknown]

What? I'm just saying piracy is not cool. Nothing about article 13.

[k4far]

If you are not willing to comment on the directive or things from this thread why bother saying vogue things like "piracy not cool". It's not a contribution towards the topic.

[Aidy]

>Aidy is against piracy and is for article 13

this is one spicy meatball

Where have I said I'm "for" article 13?

[zeorhymer]

This is the short list of what the updated Article 11 and 13 does.

• Tech giants must pay for work of artists and journalists which they use
• Small and micro platforms excluded from directive’s scope
• Hyperlinks, “accompanied by “individual words” can be shared freely
• Journalists must get a share of any copyright-related remuneration obtained by their publishing house

The actual legislation can be found here: LINKY

[xadu]

At some point somebody will sue Google for links to his website and his copyrighted stuff on youtube, then google will meet him and say:

"Ok, now we need an agreement to make links to your website legal. This is how much you will PAY to be linked by Google and having your content on Youtube"

If you are not linked to by google, you don't exist. If youtubers don't use your content , you don't exist.

[Saskia]

k4far you're way out of line here.

From the code of conduct:
No Political/Religious/Gender/Sexuality Discussions - While purely political topics are banned, discussions on a game's content that has political elements (E.g. Metal Gear's anti-war/weapons trade stance, Elves being an oppressed race in Dragon Age) are permitted. However, this is not to be used as a platform to purely express your political view. The same applies to sexuality, gender and religious topics.

While purely political topics are banned, discussions on a game's content that has political elements are permitted.

This IS a purely political topic. It has nothing to with games or gaming in general. Just because you say it might affect gaming, does not make it a gaming related issue. There are plenty of things which happen in the world which might affect gaming, but it doesn't make them gaming related issues. Heck, if it rains tomorrow that might affect my gaming...sheesh.

However, this is not to be used as a platform to purely express your political view.

And that is exactly what you're doing here.


You want to talk politics? Please go and do it in a more relevant forum. I came here to get away from real world politics, as I'm sure most of us did.

[Phabe Jewell]

Can't escape when the real world has affected video games too, so I haven't seen the line has been crossed here

[Phabe Jewell]

political opinions and actual copyright issues are different

[k4far]

I have to agree with Phabe Jewell on this.

[k4far]

Saskia, consider not using terms affiliated with political views like "....wing". It's sort of a welcome to fully political discussion. If you read the first two pages it's a pretty normal not entirely political discussion. I consider politics a poo throwing fight where we are trying to antagonize each other for our views. Let's not get to that it's heavily opposed to the idea of escapism. Some might argue this thread itself is not right to be here and they might not be wrong I will agree with anything the management of this website will decide to do. So please, everyone end your "isn't that politics" let Moderators speak up about this and if they consider it wrong they will act for sure.

[Village Idiot]

This might be a really good time for a mod to chime in on where this is in relation to the code of conduct. Maybe?

[TheDorkyDane]

I am actually in an interesting position in regards to this and... Well, I am almost looking forward to see how my country will handle it. If it wasn't so bad... It is going to be a shit show.

I am from Denmark! Denmark is a part of the European union.

HOW-EVER! There are two things that makes us very different from other EU nations.

One!

We have always been a thorn in EU's side, when we joined it was on a couple of agreements. Among them that we would NOT be a part of their valuta, that there would be NO military, that we would remain a sovereignty.
The EU has of course kept pushing us, kept insisting we should hold votes to overturn this, we had a votes, but they remained EU negative, we have always refused to play along to the tune of the EU, it is still the same today.
I think the most obvious example is that they demanded we took in more immigrants than first agreed and we said. "NO!" and we kept saying "NO!" which is how we lost our right to be a part of interpool (No seriously.)
But yeah, our politicians actually has a spine and consistently says. "NO!" To the EU, and they hate us for it.

Two!

Denmark as one of the few European countries actually have free speech laws, and is very protective of them, we call it "Ytringsfrihed."
This article 13 is in a direct opposition to our own laws, it is in a direct opposition to our values.

Quite frankly, with these two things combined I cannot imagine my country nor government going along with this. It is going to be a SHIT show!


So yeah, that is an aspect people forget. Each individual country will have to go along with this. Some countries like French, Sweden and Germany with weak governments will probably bend backwards to do it.
Other countries how-ever, with a stronger sense of sovereignty, such as Denmark, Hungary, Italy and Polan.
There is no way they are going to go along with this, seriously. Another attempt to censor us?!

the EU has been bullying its smaller nations for a long time, and we are growing increasingly SICK of it.

So yeah, if article 13 goes through... Looks like it will... the yellow west uprising is going to spread exponentially, trust me.
Smaller nations which already were fed up with the EU is going to get furious and say. "NO!" and place that on top of the looming Brexit.

..... I am indeed hoping the EU is going to go down in a burning fire... It could happen. They are NOT on as stable grounds as they think they are.

[TheDorkyDane]

xadu

Don't ask me about the specifics, but we are locked out of it. The EU has done something to lock us out of it so our police can't access their data base. Which yes, is fucking stupid, especially in our current climate.


And well, the reason they locked us out. Basically, EU countries had a deal doing the refuge crisis, we would each take in a specific amount of refuges, and Denmark agreed to that and we upheld our part of our bargain.
Suddenly, the EU demands we take in MORE "Refuges." ... They don't even call it refuges anymore, even they have to call them immigrants, they wanted to force us to be part of this immigration plan of the EU and we said. "NO!"
They wanted us to be a part of this "Opt out." agreement which would hand over a lot of power to it, also well one of our demands to joining to EU in the first place was that we would NOT be part of this agreement. It was our original demand, and it still holds water.
We even had a public vote if we should go with or not go with the deal, if we said no, we would loose a lot of benefits. We said no, and we lost the benefits.
The EU legit is a bunch if bullies just bullying the countries that wont go along to what-ever they want.

So yeah, the EU is trying to gain control of EU countries.

The question though is whether EU countries are going to cooperate or not, and well we increasingly had enough. The chances of individual countries just going with it are less and less likely.

[k4far]

Dorky if we talk religion and stuff like that it will get this thread closed because this website is about escapism which stands for staying away from politics for nervous.

[k4far]

If some moderstor sees your post here after what Saskia wrote they will consider this all politics it was going pretty fine. Please consider deleting we can talk about this elsewhere <3

[k4far]

PSA: What is the purpose of this thread?



Saskia TheDorkyDane

Try to focus on discussing the effects the directive on Exclusively Games that includes: our thoughts about the fragments of the directive itself if we would like to talk about some specific parts of the legislation. Avoid speaking about EU as the main subject it's not the point of this thread! Do not give your opinions on EU/European Communities, state of the Union etc. We are not here to talk about the organization behind the laws and it's problems! Do not use words like ("left", "right", "political views"). We are here to try to predict what the future might be like for Exclusively Games and it's not necessary to share our personal views. You can quote fragment of the paper and talk about it, just like that, really!

This is the short list of what the updated Article 11 and 13 does.

• Small and micro platforms excluded from directive’s scope
• Hyperlinks, “accompanied by “individual words” can be shared freely

Where does it say "small and micro platforms excluded" and if it's true, how do they plan to define small and micro - releasing any law binding papers without defining what things are is gross incompetence. Would you mind posting parts of actual legislation and commenting on them to back your claims up? As for hyperlinks, you wrote "accompanied by individual words" how do you plan to practically interpret this?

[zeorhymer]

Where does it say "small and micro platforms excluded" and if it's true, how do they plan to define small and micro - releasing any law binding papers without defining what things are is gross incompetence. Would you mind posting parts of actual legislation and commenting on them to back your claims up? As for hyperlinks, you wrote "accompanied by individual words" how do you plan to practically interpret this?

You're a damn troll. You didn't even bother to read the actual Council on copyright in the Digital Single Market LINK that I gave you.

[k4far]

You're a damn troll. You didn't even bother to read the actual Council on copyright in the Digital Single Market LINK that I gave you.

Please bother to read actual first post I did include direct quotes so you do not have to look for them, mind doing the same or I am supposed to find things to back Your arguments.

[grayfox313]

Can we not fight like children? Let's try and make this site/forum not like that others, filled with trolls and jerks. Shitposting is fun and all, but let's keep it off here. Can we please play nice?