Classic WOW (I didnt see an MMORPG forum)

[Saskia]

I'm still confused. Is it going to be its own release, or are they just modifying some servers?

From what I gathered at Blizzcon, they will be using the current game engine but modifying it to emulate the features of the original game. So basically it won't be exactly the same as the original server, just a close approximation. Apparently there were too many technical and coding issues to get the original version to work together with the current servers.

[Saskia]

I'll just throw this one in here. It's the WoW Classic panel from Blizzcon where they go in-depth about the technical challenges of recreating the original game. I'm sure most people have probably already seen this, but here it is anyway.

[Zeno]

I didn't realize until just this morning how much I am looking forward to classic.
I really would like to see them do something similar to what Everquest did, and have the expansions come out on like a 6 month cycle or something. So like 6 months of Classic, 6 months of BC, 6 months of WotLK etc, then when they get up to the current expansion, reset back to vanilla.
I think that doing something like that would actually bring in more people, and keep people engaged in the game. It would also allow them to fix the issues that were encountered when those expansions were current, and correct them ahead of time.

Until we get more solid details about their plans, I will just patiently await classic.

[Tamanous]

I didn't realize until just this morning how much I am looking forward to classic.
I really would like to see them do something similar to what Everquest did, and have the expansions come out on like a 6 month cycle or something. So like 6 months of Classic, 6 months of BC, 6 months of WotLK etc, then when they get up to the current expansion, reset back to vanilla.
I think that doing something like that would actually bring in more people, and keep people engaged in the game. It would also allow them to fix the issues that were encountered when those expansions were current, and correct them ahead of time.

Until we get more solid details about their plans, I will just patiently await classic.

I hope they could emulate all the way up to WotLK as the 1st 3 expansions each have their own core audience (overlapping of course). It won't be 6 months. That is too quick. Already Classic alone (with the currently planned 4 content patches, will take 1-2 years to complete the content progression.

[Zeno]

I hope they could emulate all the way up to WotLK as the 1st 3 expansions each have their own core audience (overlapping of course). It won't be 6 months. That is too quick. Already Classic alone (with the currently planned 4 content patches, will take 1-2 years to complete the content progression.

I just worry that a 1-2 year progression is too long to keep people engaged. It was a good pace when the game was new, because it took a long time to learn and teach new people how to play the game at a high level. We have had so long with the game learning the mechanics and adapting to changes, that the raids and all content will be cleared within a few days of release.
Spending all of your free time in-game back in Vanilla was about experiencing a new world full of possibilities, but those experiences have long since lost their luster for old players, and likely won't stand up to the standards that newer players have become accustomed to.

In my opinion, a 6 month expansion cycle would be a very good middle ground to keep older players enjoying the nostalgia, as well as allowing newer players to experience the game how it once was.
It would also give the development team ample time to work on creating better expansions.
Hypothetically if they were to release a new expansion on the same day that Classic was released, on a 6 month release window it would give the development team 4 years+ grace period to put into a new expansion. With all of the issues Blizzard has found themselves in recently, it is in their best interest to get back to their roots and release expansions when they are up to standards, not when they reach a new entry release cycle date.

[Zeno]

What I was saying is that in this scenario of expansion seasons, it wouldn't be beneficial to maintain the same release schedule that expansions have traditionally followed. The majority of bosses in Vanilla had very little to do with gear, and had more to do with proper execution of mechanics. Using private servers as a guideline for when content should be released is not exactly what I would consider the proper course.

You have to take into consideration the amount of time that people will be willing to invest into the game. Even at a 1 year expansion release, it would be 2027 before the classic servers caught up to even where we are right now. IF you started playing WoW at vanilla release and you were 13, you would already be 28 this year. I'm not convinced that it would be wise for them to keep in all of the content lulls, as they would have no real reason to gate off content for extended periods of time, because they wouldn't need as much time to work on the next expansion.

I will give you that a 1-1.5 year expansion for Vanilla and BC would make sense, but after that there is IMO no reason for any longer than 6 months per expansion. They don't need to follow the same release schedule, and removing the content droughts will keep people playing more.

IDK, this is all hypothetical. I'm sure there is a perfect amount of time based on the individual expansion, like one expansion 8 months would be perfect, another expansion would only need around 6 months, the next one 1.2 years would be best etc. I don't think 2 years for any expansion is realistic though.

[helzbels]

They are not doing a progression server at all. They are doing a Classic server with very little changes. They are not looking to do what Rift Prime did. They are looking to do more what runescape did and run a separate MMORPG. They MIGHT add BC and Wrath but that is not confirmed. You also dont need to worry about a Content drought because the players who want to play Classic dont care about spending 24 months playing classic with no new content. We want to play a true classic server not a bastardized server for today's modern MMORPG player that cannot play a game for longer than a month. No one who is asking for Classic servers is asking for Classic+ Retail. What most people want is Classic, TBC and Maybe WOTLK. No one is asking for Cata and the rest of the crap. Most people like myself will not even play WOTLK if it happened because that is where WOW catered to the casual player far too much and made critical problems in WOW that lead them to where they are today.

[Zeno]

Well the whole thing that I was talking about was based on a hypothetical situation where they release expansions every so often, which was pretty clearly stated when I said...

I didn't realize until just this morning how much I am looking forward to classic.
I really would like to see them do something similar to what Everquest did, and have the expansions come out on like a 6 month cycle or something. So like 6 months of Classic, 6 months of BC, 6 months of WotLK etc, then when they get up to the current expansion, reset back to vanilla.
I think that doing something like that would actually bring in more people, and keep people engaged in the game. It would also allow them to fix the issues that were encountered when those expansions were current, and correct them ahead of time.

Until we get more solid details about their plans, I will just patiently await classic.

If they aren't planning on adding any more expansions, then it doesn't matter how long it takes them to release content. They could release everything immediately, or only release a new raid every 2 years, because by your own words "You also dont need to worry about a Content drought because the players who want to play Classic dont care about spending 24 months playing classic with no new content. We want to play a true classic server not a bastardized server for today's modern MMORPG player that cannot play a game for longer than a month."

[Lions Rain]

I do want to play classic wow. it is my hope that it will not be activation uped to ruin the game. i love the the game when i plated it i though Burning Crud=sades was a great expansion, wrath was not so bad then i did not like or resubscribe after that. i have played one in a while over the free to play on lvl 20 and it just was not fun or interesting.

[Borghir]

I would never play Warcraft again because I know how much better the game has gotten over the years.

I do think it's an amazing chance for people to add resources and witness the grand opening of Ahn Quiraj, get feared into Onyxia's whelps and skin her hide, Fight Thunderaan for the the almighty Thunderfury, do world PvP battles in Tarren Mill and the Blackrock Mountains. KEK, BUR and all that goodness.
There are many many moments in WoW where I truly fell in love in the game, made some amazing friends and knew I was part of something that was going to be around for decades to come. Going back to it won't be the same.

[UncleSwiggle]

Classic WoW guild???? Count me in brother!

[Temuldjin]

I was one of those that wanted this ever sins the 3'rd expansion, but after having waited over 10 years and having played on 2 legacy servers i've gotten over it, and i know a few others felt the same way...

[Tamanous]

I wouldn't worry about people losing interest.

Private servers have greater retention than nearly any retail MMORPG on the market. Private server metrics (provided to Blizzard by the Nost Team) is one reason why the project went ahead. This doesn't mean it attracts all sorts of players. The entire point to early MMORPG, and why they unique, is because they aren't designed to meet everyone's interest. They are designed to meet a specific interest.

[DaneWolf]

I am one of The few that Really like BFA... That being said. I miss Classic wow so I'm Really Looking forward to it.

[Animusisters]

Some will play it, some won't.

[Throbinson Mcrevis]

@ OP - Helzbelz

Classic WoW is THE game I am waiting for. It would take a lot for ActiBlizz to turn me away at this point. THey would have to implement a feature that would make the game nigh unplayable. I'm holding my breath that the auto report feature is't the one to do it. That, and store features that affect gameplay.

Given that, here is why I want to play Classic so damn bad:

1- I was in a guild that got to Gothik the Harvester. We had all but four bosses killed in the entire game before TBC launched. That hurt not finishing Naxxramas. I intend to find a guild on launch that plans to clear all of the raids. A bonus would be to be in a guild that manages to clear Naxx in a shorter amount of time than it took our guild to get to Gothik.

2- Seeing the old Azeroth again. I got Loremaster in Wrath, and then got it again in Cataclysm after the revamp. I think both versions have their merits. I've always liked leveling characters, and now I cna level them in both the new, and old world.

3- No sudden nerfs or buffs. We all know balance sucked right? Well, it's well documented how shit worked in Classic/Vanilla. You'll know full well how your class is gonn work way ahead of time going in to the game, and there will be no unexpected changes.

4- Professions. Holy shit!!! Blizz fucked these up so hard since Wrath it's hard to believe. In Cata, profs were good for a few buffs, and a means to make money. In WoD, profs were a means to mint gold in your garrison. In Legion, profs were a means waste time. In the one month I played BFA? Fuck, they seem useless. In Classic, every profession has a purpose. It was the pinnacle of professions in WoW. Can't wait.

5- Vanilla Dungeons. They were the best, and very few rose up to their level. I love playing dungeons just for the fun of it. I don't like spamming mythic+ and racing a timer, I like playing a dungeon with people and having a good time. Vanilla had the best dungeons for this. You could form a group for a quick romp like a DM Tribute run, DM East or West, or for a hardcore quest grind in BRD, LBRS, Scholo, or Strat. It was a lot more fun to run dungeons back in Vanilla, and I anticipate the same thing in Classic.

I could go on and on. I could also list things that will prolly suck and take getting used to as well. All I know us that based on the five items I listed above, unless Blizz breaks the game by being retarded (not ruling it out), none of the negatives will outwieght, for me, the things I listed I am looking forward to.

[helzbels]

@ OP - Helzbelz

Classic WoW is THE game I am waiting for. It would take a lot for ActiBlizz to turn me away at this point. THey would have to implement a feature that would make the game nigh unplayable. I'm holding my breath that the auto report feature is't the one to do it. That, and store features that affect gameplay.

Given that, here is why I want to play Classic so damn bad:

1- I was in a guild that got to Gothik the Harvester. We had all but four bosses killed in the entire game before TBC launched. That hurt not finishing Naxxramas. I intend to find a guild on launch that plans to clear all of the raids. A bonus would be to be in a guild that manages to clear Naxx in a shorter amount of time than it took our guild to get to Gothik.

2- Seeing the old Azeroth again. I got Loremaster in Wrath, and then got it again in Cataclysm after the revamp. I think both versions have their merits. I've always liked leveling characters, and now I cna level them in both the new, and old world.

3- No sudden nerfs or buffs. We all know balance sucked right? Well, it's well documented how shit worked in Classic/Vanilla. You'll know full well how your class is gonn work way ahead of time going in to the game, and there will be no unexpected changes.

4- Professions. Holy shit!!! Blizz fucked these up so hard since Wrath it's hard to believe. In Cata, profs were good for a few buffs, and a means to make money. In WoD, profs were a means to mint gold in your garrison. In Legion, profs were a means waste time. In the one month I played BFA? Fuck, they seem useless. In Classic, every profession has a purpose. It was the pinnacle of professions in WoW. Can't wait.

5- Vanilla Dungeons. They were the best, and very few rose up to their level. I love playing dungeons just for the fun of it. I don't like spamming mythic+ and racing a timer, I like playing a dungeon with people and having a good time. Vanilla had the best dungeons for this. You could form a group for a quick romp like a DM Tribute run, DM East or West, or for a hardcore quest grind in BRD, LBRS, Scholo, or Strat. It was a lot more fun to run dungeons back in Vanilla, and I anticipate the same thing in Classic.

I could go on and on. I could also list things that will prolly suck and take getting used to as well. All I know us that based on the five items I listed above, unless Blizz breaks the game by being retarded (not ruling it out), none of the negatives will outwieght, for me, the things I listed I am looking forward to.

I agree with you Throbinson. I am looking forward to classic because it is not designed like today's treadmill MMORPGS. Classic is the game I am looking forward too and dont want any changes to it well other than add in the dam in game calendar because its nice to have people sign up for a raid and one click invite them all. Outside of that nothing else should change. No class balancing and so on.


I do hope you find a guild that fits what you are looking for. The guild I am going to start to build when we get a release date will in time raid. I want a good 6 months of just playing the game without the push to get to end game. My friends like myself want to enjoy the journey again and not feel like we are on a treadmill. With that said, I dont know based on our schedules if we will hit Naxx because honestly yes classic raiding did take time and effort. My friends and I all have schedules that we will be playing and cant change it too much because we all have a lot going on in life. We would be happy to do MC, ZG, AQ20 and if we get more content we will be happy with that. (Vs other casual players who will cry like fucking babies because the game takes too much dam effort and they have a job you know.) I dont want to recruit someone who might not be what we are looking for. Now if you did want to join us for a short term hey I will level with you guys but find a hardcore raiding guild and keep alts that I will run with you guys I have time. I would be cool with that. Unlike most GMs that love to boost endlessly about their guild and where they are going, I set realistic expectations. I have kids I have on a set schedule Every Wednesday night, every other weekend, Holiday schedules change every year, different schedule in the summer to commit to the normal raid curve in Classic. But hey if Classic is still going in 3 years my guild still raiding in 3 years and we are still progressing through the raid tiers FANTASTIC.

I also have no problem having friends on my friends list that are in hardcore guilds. I had a few friends in Scion during vanilla on Khadgar. They use to message me for dungeon runs when they needed a tank and their friends were not around. Thats the great thing about classic is Hardcore players and Casual players got along well and helped each other out.

[Throbinson Mcrevis]

I also have no problem having friends on my friends list that are in hardcore guilds. I had a few friends in Scion during vanilla on Khadgar. They use to message me for dungeon runs when they needed a tank and their friends were not around. Thats the great thing about classic is Hardcore players and Casual players got along well and helped each other out.

Thanks for the kind words. I don't play WoW now, but if ya want, hit me up for my Bnet ID. Be nice to keep in touch before the game launches to plan things out.