Denuvo Anti-tamper (Yes/No or toxic view) risky post?

[CECIL]

Yes and I saw your previous arguments. I do believe people should be paid for their work which is why I don't support piracy. As others have pointed out the issue isn't as simple as if you don't support piracy you must support DRM. For me it boils down to this: DRM doesn't work. It doesn't stop piracy and it hurts legitimate customers. Therefore I don't support DRM such as Denuvo. As I stated, things like activation keys are totally fine as they are usually a once off proof of purchase.

[SpicyLemones]

because it shits on people that don't pirate instead of real pirates

[SpicyLemones]

If that's normal then those games will all fail and the system as a whole will fail so no need to worry about it. No-one is going to wait 20 mins to play a game.

Exactly, that's why these games suffer from their DRM when they reach full circle, and that's why some developers take it off after the fact that they realize it's not doing anything at all but shitting on legit customers

[SpicyLemones]

Which still doesn't justify the comparison. Both are illegal, you can sneak into the cinema if you so very much want to, and you can pirate games if you really want to, you can't stop people from doing both, only prevent it, but if you start putting up immigration checkpoints in front of every cinema door then you ruin the fun for the legit watchers, because they have to spend 30 minutes in a full-body-identification just because some dicks sneak into cinemas to watch movies.

Do you understand how this works now?

[LogenVos]

I don't like Denuvo. Never will. The SecuRom which is ancestor to Denuvo messed up my CD-Rom badly resulting to being unable to use it. But games I like it has it. What can I do? I just suck it up and still play games like Monster Hunter World and God Eater. I'll be much happier if it doesn't exist in my games.

[Aidy]

If you are not lucky enough to have good enough internet, good luck waiting 20 minutes trying to secure a connection, or even play at all on some games that has DENUVO slapped on it.

If that's normal then those games will all fail and the system as a whole will fail so no need to worry about it. No-one is going to wait 20 mins to play a game.

[Aidy]

First I will say I don't support piracy. It isn't right but its not exactly theft either. Pirates weren't going to buy the game in the first place, so there is no direct financial loss like they claim there is. We know that any and every game can and will be cracked in time as long as someone out there is willing to put the effort into it.

That's why I don't support DRM like Denuvo. It ends up punishing legit customers while not stopping piracy. CD or Activation Keys I can accept and that should be the limit.

If you want your game (or any product) to do well you need to do 3 things:
1. Make it good.
2. Make it affordable.
3. Make it easy to pay for.

CECIL.....do you have a job?

[SpicyLemones]

If you hate piracy why do you care about DRM?

I feel like you're intentionally ignoring my points for some reason.

I have stated again and again, I have no problems with DRM as long as they are not INTRUSIVE to the game's core experience.

DENUVO DRM however, is intrusive to the game's core experience.

If you are not lucky enough to have good enough internet, good luck waiting 20 minutes trying to secure a connection, or even play at all on some games that has DENUVO slapped on it.

You're assuming everyone is a thief, which is completely false. The point of the post was to discuss how DRM affects someone's decision on purchasing the game, not whether or not piracy is okay.

To reiterate my opinions.

YES, DRMS LIKE DENUVO DOES AFFECT MY DECISION ON PURCHASE A GAME, why?

Because of how intrusive it is to the game itself. How many games out there lock you out of the game because you don't have an internet connection or a fast connection? I hope this helps you understand the point of the argument here.

No one hates anti-piracy prevention, some developers has even sneaked in novel anti-piracy methods like Game Dev Tycoon (The game would end with a silly message if you pirate it) and I consider it pretty hilarious and a positive thing to do.
HOWEVER, DRMs like DENUVO is SHIT because they hold the game hostage from you, and if you can't get a stable connection going, then get fucked

I hope this helps us come to a mutual understanding and reclarify the point of the thread, rather than devolving into the "no u" cycle..

[CECIL]

First I will say I don't support piracy. It isn't right but its not exactly theft either. Pirates weren't going to buy the game in the first place, so there is no direct financial loss like they claim there is. We know that any and every game can and will be cracked in time as long as someone out there is willing to put the effort into it.

That's why I don't support DRM like Denuvo. It ends up punishing legit customers while not stopping piracy. CD or Activation Keys I can accept and that should be the limit.

If you want your game (or any product) to do well you need to do 3 things:
1. Make it good.
2. Make it affordable.
3. Make it easy to pay for.

[Aidy]

#10.2

Aidy commented
Today, 01:36 AM


When most people go to Burger King they buy the burger and if they don't like it they get a refund.

But when you go to Burger King you steal the burger and if you liked it you go back and pay for it.

Cos that's what most thieves do. Right?

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No when i get a game i buy it first from steam, i don't pirate it. IF i can i get a demo from steam before i buy it or watch a youtube video about it i do. I can't taste a burger by going onto youtube or demo a burger.

I refer to the answer given SpicyLemones some moments ago, quote "I think we shouldn't derail the topic into debating whether pirating is bad or not, and stick on whether DRM influences people's decision on making a purchase."

If you hate piracy why do you care about DRM?

[Aidy]

They're both the purchase of subjective mediums, mediums that you are free to research before you decide to use, so what is the difference?


The difference is that you can steal games but you can't steal cinema so you apply different standards based on what you can get away with


That's my point

[Elmo]

#10.2

Aidy commented
Today, 01:36 AM


When most people go to Burger King they buy the burger and if they don't like it they get a refund.

But when you go to Burger King you steal the burger and if you liked it you go back and pay for it.

Cos that's what most thieves do. Right?

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No when i get a game i buy it first from steam, i don't pirate it. IF i can i get a demo from steam before i buy it or watch a youtube video about it i do. I can't taste a burger by going onto youtube or demo a burger.

I refer to the answer given SpicyLemones some moments ago, quote "I think we shouldn't derail the topic into debating whether pirating is bad or not, and stick on whether DRM influences people's decision on making a purchase."

[SpicyLemones]

Also once again you're comparing things that are inherently different, you can't compare videogames and going to cinemas like they're equal.

[SpicyLemones]

When you go to the cinema and you don't like the movie do you still pay for it?

Yes I would, but I have the insight to check trusted reviewers or read up forums of people that did before I go watch the movie to make sure I enjoy my time there and know that I'm spending my money properly.

[Aidy]

if you wanna make sure people buy your game, make it good

When you go to the cinema and you don't like the movie do you still pay for it?