In response to Mark Darrah's Tweet On Anthem

[Overloaded_Wolf]

The fact that there are microtransactions in a $60 game. Give EA an inch of rope and they'll hang you with it, forge your will, and take all your worldly possessions. This game is a prime target for exploitative microtransactions and the practice of bringing them in later after they get their good reviews is already becoming commonplace.

This is a wait and see situation, as you have to take every game as it being possible for them to do better. Just like the legal system, you should be innocent until proven guilty. (yes I know the history, you don't need to bring it up.)

[Cosmocalypse]

The fact that there are microtransactions in a $60 game. Give EA an inch of rope and they'll hang you with it, forge your will, and take all your worldly possessions. This game is a prime target for exploitative microtransactions and the practice of bringing them in later after they get their good reviews is already becoming commonplace.

It's a live service game with all DLC free for $60. I paid nearly $90 for Godeneye on N64 in the '90s. I don't think you realize how cheap games are today compared to how it used to be. I don't see any good argument against cosmetic skins for sale that can also be earned in game without spending a dime. They have been transparent about microtransactions from the start. You claim they are going to go back on that later. Can you show me one example of them doing that before?

[Zoltor]

So show me the receipts then. Where have they done that before?

I want you to take a look at the sentence you just typed and tell me if you think this is a good argument:

"They've done that before though, and another time they did something even worse."

Done what before? And what did they do that was worse? And what game?

It's well known, if I recall, I think it was the last Dragon Age game(might've been a new IP, but I'm pretty sure it was Dragon Age), they said no Microtransaction, and while there were no microtansactions, instead we got insanely priced season passes, additional DLC ontop of that, multiple special additions, and even that store exclusive content BS if I recall. Trust me, if EA goes along with this no Microtransaction statement, be afraid, be very afraid, because it will likely be even worse then microtransactions.

It's literally a no win situation.

[Cosmocalypse]

It's well known, if I recall, I think it was the last Dragon Age game(might've been a new IP, but I'm pretty sure it was Dragon Age), they said no Microtransaction, and while there were no microtansactions, instead we got insanely priced season passes, additional DLC ontop of that, multiple special additions, and even that store exclusive BS if I recall. Trust me, if EA goes along with this no Microtransaction statement, be afraid, be very afraid, because it will likely be even worse then microtransactions.

Again, tinfoil hat nonsense. No paid DLC. They've said it from the very beginning. No season pass, no lootboxes, no paid DLC, no premium editions. Nothing. I really don't see where you are coming from.

[Overloaded_Wolf]

It's well known, if I recall, I think it was the last Dragon Age game(might've been a new IP, but I'm pretty sure it was Dragon Age), they said no Microtransaction, and while there were no microtansactions, instead we got insanely priced season passes, additional DLC ontop of that, multiple special additions, and even that store exclusive BS if I recall. Trust me, if EA goes along with this no Microtransaction statement, be afraid, be very afraid, because it will likely be even worse then microtransactions.

Special edition's are nothing new, those have been around for way longer than you think, basically back to xbox360 and before that. And if you say to be afraid because of no mtx's, what else could they charge? They said there would be microtransactions and that they would only be cosmetic. They said there is no season-pass and that it is an evolving world with more story and content being supported after launch. These claims have very little credibility.

[Spect3r]

You guys take this shit way too serious.

[Spect3r]

Overloaded_Wolf and none of that affects any of these persons complaining, so whats the problem?
I dont get it why people focus so much on negativity. The game sucks? Who cares, is not like there arent more games.
A studio closes? Another 10 open.

Cosmocalypse I just made an observation, you were the one who got all worked up by it.
And i have my work for today done, so no, nothing more important to do than annoy you

[Overloaded_Wolf]

Spect3r Because as fans of games, we want to see games thrive and be good. We focus on the negativity because of the many cases where AAA companies screw over consumers. If something that you buy screws you over by saying you need additional payments for something crucial to the game mechanically or story-wise, you would be focused on the movement of the company going forward. While I understand the sentiment of "Oh well, another shitty game", It's that sentiment that allows publishers and companies like EA and Activision get away with crap that shouldn't be in the games we play. (Within acceptable and reasonable boundaries)

[Spect3r]

Overloaded_Wolf sorry, but what allows publishers and developers to get away with crappy games is the fact that people buy them, not the fact i ignore them.
If instead of trying to play everything under the sun, you guys chose better then this shit wouldnt happen so frequently.
But of course is easier to complain than to do something about it.
What i have noticed by a lot of the content in this forum, is that people talk but they dont walk the talk. If the game sucks move along, if people dont buy them they will stop making them. Is no rocket science.

[Overloaded_Wolf]

Again, tinfoil hat nonsense. No paid DLC. They've said it from the very beginning. No season pass, no lootboxes, no paid DLC, no premium editions. Nothing. I really don't see where you are coming from.

Uh. One quick correction on premium editions. There is the "Legion of Dawn" edition with gives legion of dawn armor sets for all the javelins and a weapon set for the ranger. While that may give a slight advantage, it is really only for the early game and is not seen in any way to be a pay to progress type scenario as those weapons and armor sets will be outdated rather quickly and can really only be used in the early-game.

[Zoltor]

Special edition's are nothing new, those have been around for way longer than you think, basically back to xbox360 and before that. And if you say to be afraid because of no mtx's, what else could they charge? They said there would be microtransactions and that they would only be cosmetic. They said there is no season-pass and that it is an evolving world with more story and content being supported after launch. These claims have very little credibility.

We're not talking NIS, ATLUS or Nintendo type of special edditions here I'm afraid, when you need a spreadsheet for special edditions or it locks ingame content behind such, It's not a good thing. Are you really asking that? Regular DLC alone could be worse then microtransactions if handled wrongly, and the store exclusive thing "is" worse(atleast with microtransactions, everyone technically has access to all the same stuff), ect. This is to say nothing about the BS they maybe icoming up with that thinktank of there's. I don't know what's scarier them doing stuff they have already pulled in the past or inventing a new way that showes, even when you think you hit rock bottom, EA s there to prove oh know, not even close to rock bottom yet.

PS. Hell hasn't it already been announced that Anthom is going to have like 3 or 4 versions of the damn game. That's something they announced willingly too, as if It's a good thing, I'm scared of what EA actually considers a thing bad enough, that they wont announce. Hell they even admit to giving reviewers a different game, then what the released game is going to be lol. EA has no shame.

[Cosmocalypse]

We're not talking NIS, ATLUS or Nintendo type of special edditions here I'm afraid, when you need a spreadsheet for special edditions or it locks ingame content behind such, It's not a good thing. Are you really asking that? Regular DLC alone could be worse then microtransactions if handled wrongly, and the store exclusive thing "is" worse(atleast with microtransactions, everyone technically has access to all the same stuff), ect. This is to say nothing about the BS they maybe icoming up with that thinktank of there's. I don't know what's scarier them doing stuff they have already pulled in the past or inventing a new way that showes, even when you think you hit rock bottom, EA s there to prove oh know, not even close to rock bottom yet.

PS. Hell hasn't it already been announced that Anthom is going to have like 3 or 4 versions of the damn game. That's something they announced willingly too, as if It's a good thing, I'm scared of what EA actually considers a thing bad enough, that they wont announce. Hell they even admit to giving reviewers a different game, then what the released game is going to be lol. EA has no shame.

How could they handle regular DLC worse when all the DLC is free?

[Overloaded_Wolf]

We're not talking NIS, ATLUS or Nintendo type of special edditions here I'm afraid, when you need a spreadsheet for special edditions or it locks ingame content behind such, It's not a good thing. Are you really asking that? Regular DLC alone could be worse then microtransactions if handled wrongly, and the store exclusive thing "is" worse(atleast with microtransactions, everyone technically has access to all the same stuff), ect. This is to say nothing about the BS they maybe icoming up with that thinktank of there's. I don't know what's scarier them doing stuff they have already pulled in the past or inventing a new way that showes, even when you think you hit rock bottom, EA s there to prove oh know, not even close to rock bottom yet.

You are locking completely optional in-game content behind an additional cost that you don't have to pay but feel inclined to for what reason than "I don't have it so I need it". The special edition gives you an armor set that probably doesn't even look nearly as cool as stuff you get in end-game. Is only useful in early-game and has little to no bearing on the gameplay as a whole. This is what people need to get out of their head. You don't need to put additional money into something, you can just not get it. If you want it, it is up to you. You aren't locked out of "crucial" content for getting the base game here. And saying "when you need a spreadsheet for special editions" is such a cop-out statement, its just sad.

[Spect3r]

And there are not even that many versions of the game.
There are 2 versions of the game, and one of thus versions you can choose from 2 different steelbooks. Thats it.
No over priced CE, no 10 different editions, none of that,

[Overloaded_Wolf]

Correct, so it isn't a big deal in relation to different editions.

[Zoltor]

How could they handle regular DLC worse when all the DLC is free?

I gave examples, very expensive season passes(which unlike microtransactions which are usually not meaningful content anyway, regular DLC is almost always meaningful, otherwise no one would buy it), more DLC untop of that. All and all, you'll end up being forced to pay a total of 180+ to get the entire game, that frankly probally Isn't even worthy of being a 40$ game.

Bandai is a pretty prime, and common example of such, the difference is atleast Bandai makes good games with a lot of content in the base games from the getgo, and the content usually doesn't feel cut.

[Cosmocalypse]

I gave examples, very expensive season passes(which unlike microtransactions which are usually not meaningful content anyway, regular DLC is almost always meaningful, otherwise no one would buy it), more DLC untop of that. All and all, you'll end up being forced to pay a total of 180+ to get the entire game, that frankly probally Isn't even worthy of being a 40$ game.

Bandai is a pretty prime, and common example of such, the difference is atleast Bandai makes good games with a lot of content in the base games from the getgo, and the content usually doesn't feel cut.

How is any of that relevant to Anthem? The game has no season pass and has all DLC free.

[Overloaded_Wolf]

I gave examples, very expensive season passes(which unlike microtransactions which are usually not meaningful content anyway, regular DLC is almost always meaningful, otherwise no one would buy it), more DLC untop of that. All and all, you'll end up being forced to pay a total of 180+ to get the entire game, that frankly probally Isn't even worthy of being a 40$ game.

Bandai is a pretty prime, and common example of such, the difference is atleast Bandai makes good games with a lot of content in the base games from the getgo, and the content usually doesn't feel cut.

You are making blanket comparisons to stuff that does not apply to Anthem, keep it relevant if you are going to make statements such as this.

[Zoltor]

How is any of that relevant to Anthem? The game has no season pass and has all DLC free.

"announced" no, but considering the soon to be trainwreck hans been released yet, that doesn't mean anything. EA has a trackrecord of not only flipflopping, but when ever they say no microtransactions, It's very misleading to say the least. Mark my words, nothing good will come from this, EA saying no microtransactions, is not a sign of EA learning their lesson, It's a sign of them trying to figure out a better(for them) way to screw over the consumer.

Manipulating review scores is only the icy on the cake, as far as Anthom goes, before alls said and done, It's going to get way worse.

[Overloaded_Wolf]

"announced" no, but considering the soon to be trainwreck hans been released yet, that doesn't mean anything. EA has a trackrecord of not only flipflopping, but when ever they say no microtransactions, It's very misleading to say the least. Mark my words, nothing good will come from this, EA saying no microtransactions, is not a sign of EA learning their lesson, It's a sign of them trying to figure out a better(for them) way to screw over the consumer.

Manipulating review scores is only the icy on the cake, as far as Anthom goes, before alls said and done, It's going to get way worse.

Oh my god! They never said there wasn't microtransactions! How many times does this have to be said. There are microtransactiions in the game, they are just cosmetic only! Bioware has confirmed this on multiple streams and are able to get some purchasable cosmetics from in-game currency from playing the game.