Will you buy total war 3k?

[Fuzzybeard3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lK6HBSc1uE&t=0s
Well if this is what total war 3k is going to be like then I'm never buying another CA title again. For those of you who play total war are you planning on buying 3k cause I'm certainly not?

[Fuzzybeard3]

Subsidiary territory building management looks like Thrones of Britannia level of dumb, in all honesty... :/



You think so? Re: graphics, that is. I watched a bit of their livestream a few days ago and it looks as though it's regressed a lot. It's got a cel-shaded 'quality' to it and virtually no refinement or polish to it, and the character avatar models don't look very impressive either, while the UI elements look so bland (I mean, most interaction cards are just black text on white background, which is M:TW-esque and not something to be expected of a 2019 game, there is essentially zero character or personality in its presentation). TW:WH2 graphics were pretty damned good IMO and a damned sight better than what I'm seeing in 3K.

Sorry for seeming so down about it, however, the handling of this latest title has left me a bit weary with CA in general... Though to be fair, a part of it is my own fault, insomuch that I'm an active sub to two of the three blacklisted YT channels...!!

I think there has been quite a bit of a fatigue including myself among long term total war players with CA in general. The laziness wears you down after a while as seen with TOB showing the fatigue imo with the poor reviews and sales numbers. As that game the more I think about it was lazy all around. And wasn't 3K suppose to be the next big historical tittle. Instead its pictured as fantasy light. With historical mode from what we know so far a lazy tacked on feature just to say its a historical game.

[SckizoBoy]

Yeah, i think classical mode is just going to be something they tacked on because people wanted it, though the focus will be on the romance mode Which is most likely the default. WH2 was a lot of fun and did have a lot more depth and is pretty good for what it is, hopefully we'll see it carry through on the newer TW series. Hopefully in 3K, but i'm not holding my breath.

Subsidiary territory building management looks like Thrones of Britannia level of dumb, in all honesty... :/

The graphics, the crappy AI and problem with scaling is something that has been in TW games for quite a while. I don't know if they're going to or plan to ever fix it. Maybe we'll be surprised with 3K, but i'm still inclined towards caution and holding out till there's more information put out there including the historical mode gameplay and how the game looks, feels and how well it runs. Till then i'm probably going to hold off.

You think so? Re: graphics, that is. I watched a bit of their livestream a few days ago and it looks as though it's regressed a lot. It's got a cel-shaded 'quality' to it and virtually no refinement or polish to it, and the character avatar models don't look very impressive either, while the UI elements look so bland (I mean, most interaction cards are just black text on white background, which is M:TW-esque and not something to be expected of a 2019 game, there is essentially zero character or personality in its presentation). TW:WH2 graphics were pretty damned good IMO and a damned sight better than what I'm seeing in 3K.

Sorry for seeming so down about it, however, the handling of this latest title has left me a bit weary with CA in general... Though to be fair, a part of it is my own fault, insomuch that I'm an active sub to two of the three blacklisted YT channels...!!

[sirbiznatchderyk2001]

There's the Classic mode, which is what most TW fans are actually worried about (as is currently conjectured, it's thought that it'll be a result of laziness on CA's part, given that they've showcased virtually sod all about Classic mode outside of its existence).

Thing is, (a fair majority of) TW fans do consider WH2 as a solid entry in the series and has the same level of strategic gameplay as Rome 2 and onwards, with deeper diplomacy (however much that's a contradiction in terms given TW AI, but it is what it is) with the race/faction dynamic as distinct from culture/faction from other games.
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Consequently, most of the scepticism towards 3K is directed at gameplay simplicity, half-heartedness at the creation of the setting, seemingly shitty graphics, lack of scale and the most idiotic battle AI seen thus far in the series, along with the simultaneous pandering and screwing over of the Chinese market. As opposed to the adherence to historicity of the setting itself (which is actually pretty good based on what I've seen, aesthetic and political dynamic being pretty accurate). Make of that what you will, I suppose...

Yeah, i think classical mode is just going to be something they tacked on because people wanted it, though the focus will be on the romance mode Which is most likely the default. WH2 was a lot of fun and did have a lot more depth and is pretty good for what it is, hopefully we'll see it carry through on the newer TW series. Hopefully in 3K, but i'm not holding my breath.

The graphics, the crappy AI and problem with scaling is something that has been in TW games for quite a while. I don't know if they're going to or plan to ever fix it. Maybe we'll be surprised with 3K, but i'm still inclined towards caution and holding out till there's more information put out there including the historical mode gameplay and how the game looks, feels and how well it runs. Till then i'm probably going to hold off.

[SckizoBoy]

I want to get TW3K as a strategy game geek. But i'm worried about the romance and that it will be less historical. If i wanted Romance of the Three Kingdoms i would play Dynasty Warriors. TW is known for their strategy games except maybe Warhammer but their other games like Empire, Medieval etc being more historical. So i'm putting it off till i hear more about how much history will be in it.

There's the Classic mode, which is what most TW fans are actually worried about (as is currently conjectured, it's thought that it'll be a result of laziness on CA's part, given that they've showcased virtually sod all about Classic mode outside of its existence).

Thing is, (a fair majority of) TW fans do consider WH2 as a solid entry in the series and has the same level of strategic gameplay as Rome 2 and onwards, with deeper diplomacy (however much that's a contradiction in terms given TW AI, but it is what it is) with the race/faction dynamic as distinct from culture/faction from other games.

Consequently, most of the scepticism towards 3K is directed at gameplay simplicity, half-heartedness at the creation of the setting, seemingly shitty graphics, lack of scale and the most idiotic battle AI seen thus far in the series, along with the simultaneous pandering and screwing over of the Chinese market. As opposed to the adherence to historicity of the setting itself (which is actually pretty good based on what I've seen, aesthetic and political dynamic being pretty accurate). Make of that what you will, I suppose...

[sirbiznatchderyk2001]

I want to get TW3K as a strategy game geek. But i'm worried about the romance and that it will be less historical. If i wanted Romance of the Three Kingdoms i would play Dynasty Warriors. TW is known for their strategy games except maybe Warhammer but their other games like Empire, Medieval etc being more historical. So i'm putting it off till i hear more about how much history will be in it.

[SckizoBoy]

I think that's the second delay cause if I'm correct the original release of 3k was suppose to be the end of 2018. So with 2 substantial delays now on top of the footage showing the many problems with 3k even the total war fanboys are having trouble defending 3k. Honestly I was already planning on skipping as I'm not interested in the china setting now with all these other problems..... Ya I'll just finish with I doubt CA will be able to fix the issues. As if they refuse to fix legacy problems I doubt they'll fix much of anything.

What makes it debatably worse this time was that it was on sale during the Lunar New Year holiday (so lots of pre-orders from Chinese/east Asian customers), and the announcement was made right after the holiday and the sale ended. *slow clap CA* Understandably, much bile was spewed over this.

[SckizoBoy]

The one "regular" Total War game that I really, really like is Shogun and Shogun 2, because of the limited scale of both games. You have an island to play around on and that's it. Steam says I have spent a couple of hundred hours on Shogun 2 + Fall of the Samurai DLC, but I never really got excited about any of the other Total War games. Similarly, I'm looking forward to Three Kingdoms, because it looks like the map consists of China and that's it. Sure, it will be much bigger than the map in Shogun, but again if they deliver that sort of limited scale gaming experience it feels more appealing to me.

You still like Shogun 1? Wow... that hearkens back. I was OK with it.

Thing is, the map for WHII is pretty big as it includes the Old World, parts of the New World and most of the Elven realms, so it's fairly extensive. Is it that the scale of the other games means you don't get all you can out of it as quickly as you'd like? I prefer Rome/M2/Rome 2 to an extent over Shogun II primarily because of the variety. Different cultures have different unit rosters and distinct military aesthetic/character, while for both Shogun II and (presumably) 3K, it's fairly same-y with only differences in starting position. For me, it boosts the replayability a great deal, hence how I've sunk in the better part of a thousand hours or so in Rome 1 (with and without mods, in fairness).

[Fuzzybeard3]

The one "regular" Total War game that I really, really like is Shogun and Shogun 2, because of the limited scale of both games. You have an island to play around on and that's it. Steam says I have spent a couple of hundred hours on Shogun 2 + Fall of the Samurai DLC, but I never really got excited about any of the other Total War games. Similarly, I'm looking forward to Three Kingdoms, because it looks like the map consists of China and that's it. Sure, it will be much bigger than the map in Shogun, but again if they deliver that sort of limited scale gaming experience it feels more appealing to me.



This is my main worry after having spent a lot of time playing Total War: Warhammer 2: it's going to be a lesser experience when compared to a full-on fantasy setting. I'm hoping that there's more to in the game than legendary lords and a basics of Total War.

CA's been following a policy of removing features and streamlining for a while now making games less and less feature rich. Its been happening for a while and imo the bad policy started to bite them in the back as show in Thrones of Britannia as the campaign mechanics in that game are so bare-bone mainly in empire management. As settlement management was essentially match the colors. On top of really atrocious AI as in early Rome 2 bad. They did try some potentially interesting stuff like supplies for armies but that was a poorly implemented mess.

[Fuzzybeard3]

And delayed... until May now...

With the crap hitting the fan about 3K, I'm less and less likely to get this within a good year or two of release... :/

I think that's the second delay cause if I'm correct the original release of 3k was suppose to be the end of 2018. So with 2 substantial delays now on top of the footage showing the many problems with 3k even the total war fanboys are having trouble defending 3k. Honestly I was already planning on skipping as I'm not interested in the china setting now with all these other problems..... Ya I'll just finish with I doubt CA will be able to fix the issues. As if they refuse to fix legacy problems I doubt they'll fix much of anything.

[TelperionST]

If you don't mind me asking, how many hours do you have in TW:R2/A? Cos the historical crowd is what the TW series mostly appeals to.

The one "regular" Total War game that I really, really like is Shogun and Shogun 2, because of the limited scale of both games. You have an island to play around on and that's it. Steam says I have spent a couple of hundred hours on Shogun 2 + Fall of the Samurai DLC, but I never really got excited about any of the other Total War games. Similarly, I'm looking forward to Three Kingdoms, because it looks like the map consists of China and that's it. Sure, it will be much bigger than the map in Shogun, but again if they deliver that sort of limited scale gaming experience it feels more appealing to me.

My personal take on 3K from the Warhammer/history yay-or-nay perspective is that it doesn't really matter: the setting won't appeal if you're primarily a WH2 ('cos let's face it, no-one plays WH1) player and Romance mode is basically legendary lords lite with less cool shit; and the AI has plumbed a new depth/gameplay is looking shallower than ever if you're in it for the historicity (and we still haven't seen much, if anything at all, for Classic mode).

This is my main worry after having spent a lot of time playing Total War: Warhammer 2: it's going to be a lesser experience when compared to a full-on fantasy setting. I'm hoping that there's more to in the game than legendary lords and a basics of Total War.

[SckizoBoy]

I'm tempted after 500hrs of TW:WH, but not sure it will catch me as much being not a warhammer/fantasy style... probably will check out some more around release and just kind of see. Maybe if it goes on sale I'll end up impulse buying it ;x

If you don't mind me asking, how many hours do you have in TW:R2/A? Cos the historical crowd is what the TW series mostly appeals to. I was on a stream recently where the streamer and one commenter had a somewhat heated (but ultimately, still civil) exchange about how WH1/2 pissed off a lot of TW veterans for being what it was (the one and only entry in the main series with a completely fictional basis).

My personal take on 3K from the Warhammer/history yay-or-nay perspective is that it doesn't really matter: the setting won't appeal if you're primarily a WH2 ('cos let's face it, no-one plays WH1) player and Romance mode is basically legendary lords lite with less cool shit; and the AI has plumbed a new depth/gameplay is looking shallower than ever if you're in it for the historicity (and we still haven't seen much, if anything at all, for Classic mode).

[Animusisters]

If the price is right.

[kalin]

I'm tempted after 500hrs of TW:WH, but not sure it will catch me as much being not a warhammer/fantasy style... probably will check out some more around release and just kind of see. Maybe if it goes on sale I'll end up impulse buying it ;x

[SckizoBoy]

And delayed... until May now...

With the crap hitting the fan about 3K, I'm less and less likely to get this within a good year or two of release... :/