Question about gamer's/websites/shows attitudes towards games

[twidget]

DeanKind I'm 70. Hold my beer!

"Are gamers entitled?"
Gamers, like any consumer, are entitled to a product not broken when sold.
We are entitled to a timely, fair and equitable resolution of problems.
We are entitled to honest reviews from journalists that disclose if they've been on a junket or received gifts paid for by a publisher promoting a game they'll review.
We are entitled to post our own reviews without fear of retribution through bans or DMCA claims.

"Are media overly harsh..."
If you mean like when the media proclaimed gamers were dead or by pushing some political agenda, ya, it is!

"Should we have a say on games?"
We do.
We say all kinds of things to devs and their corporate masters.
We say that crap games are OK because they're still profitable.
We say pre-orders are OK because gamers use them.
We say OK to micro-transactions when we use them to buy things that should be available in-game, without excessive grinding.
We say OK to loot boxes by buying them.
We say lots of things, loud and often, when we're sold some hyped-up, broken POS.
We also post to devs and various places that collect feedback on games and content desires.

They say the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
I can't imagine what it's like to be a dev surrounded by loud, squeaky wheels.

tl/dr
We are entitled!
Fuck the old established game's media.
Money talks.

[Goldenfoxx]

I'm sorry you think I'm a fanboy and that affects the seriousness of your opinion, I have hundreds of games that isn't BioWare...as stated it's just the freshest one that came to mind.
BioWare's communication is bad I agree and also as stated I didn't say ME:A was a underrated masterpiece in disguise either, I agree whole hearted that the quality of the story was lower than the original 3.

Just an opinion here if I may, or maybe a question that stems from my own opinion: Why should being a fanboy necessarily detract from solid opinions? I fully admit to being a 44-year-old fanboy of Assassin's Creed, the Arkham games, the LEGO games, Rock Band and older Guitar Hero games, the Sierra Quest games, and a few others. I'd LIKE to think that the hardcore core fanbase of a franchise might actually know what does or doesn't work in a franchise. Just because we really love a series and are occasionally willing to overlook some serious flaws in games, I don't think that means our opinions are invalidated.

...I hope I didn't come across as saying that ALL gamers are entitled, as it wasn't my intention

Not at all, but it has to be brought up anyway because that's how the gaming journalists (the dedicated sites like Kotaku, not necessarily the YouTube channels) have decided to paint gamers as of late. And it's not so much that they paint "all gamers" that way as much as "all gamers that are angry or voicing complaints."

That being said though, just because you and I don't tend to go by what reviewers/journalists etc say, doesn't mean it doesn't have a impact on other people.

And that's a problem, but it's not a wholly unexpected one. I understand the attraction to hearing a YouTube content creator like an Angry Joe voice an unpopular opinion when it's an opinion that the gamer him/her-self shares, especially if the gamer has been routinely mocked for liking or not liking a game. Somewhere along the way, though, for some gamers, once they've latched on to a kind of connection with that reviewer, that reviewer suddenly becomes kind of an idol with an infallible opinion that is backed up by humorous snark and mock anger. Once in that mindset, even intentionally over-the-top anger like that of James Rolfe can/will cross the line into an infallible opinion. It's like taking CinemaSins seriously. You want to see a game you hate taken down in a way that makes you laugh, and suddenly there are people who will fight for that opinion or get seriously offended by it. Sins of youth, I guess, or maybe sins of inexperience. And I don't know how to go about breaking or weaning people off of that. Hopefully, most of them will just grow up after awhile. The realm problem, though, is that when people like professional gaming journalists see that sort of behavior, it makes it easy to cast all complaints in that light, and that's a huge fallacy.

[Thomas_JCG]

That's irrelevant. Anyone can have a website but not anyone can publish a magazine.

Haha, wrong. Anyone can publish a magazine.
https://www.wikihow.com/Self-Publish-a-Magazine

Listen to yourself, you're talking about ONE GAME.

I'm giving an EXAMPLE. My point is that studios are putting more games with online focus, Anthem is just the latest in a long line of mediocre games.

So people buy games that aren't good and pay micro transactions on games that aren't good? No-one needs to make good games. GTA, Red Dead Redemption, Assassin's Creed, God of War. Yeah, people don't make good games anymore, they don't need to.

YES! DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THAT CANDY CRUSH IS A GOOD GAME? It's like you don't even understand how microtransactions work: it's all about providing the player a way to trade boring grind for immediate gratification.
Also, three of the examples you gave have major online components and/or are packed full of MTX, in case you already forgot the incidents with Assassin's Creed Odyssey XP boost and RDR2 disaster of economy where you had to grind for hundreds of hours to buy a horse this past year. So much for good games.

You can't find good journalism, you can't find good games, you can't find any game that isn't Anthem, Fallout 76 or Battlefield V and you think I'm ignorant?

If your take on what I've been saying is that I can't find stuff, then yes, you are horribly ignorant. You don't understand how microtransactions work at all, you don't understand why people are complaining, and what is wrong with the gaming media. It's like you can't see anything below the surface, and convinced yourself that everything is fine.

[Aidy]

Haha, wrong. Anyone can publish a magazine.

God you're pathetic.

DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THAT CANDY CRUSH IS A GOOD GAME?

I don't, no, which is why I don't spend money on it. But those who do spend money on it obviously think it is. Are you the arbiter of what is "good"? What people should spend money on?

of the examples you gave have major online components and/or are packed full of MTX

On-line components are far more likely to have micro transactions because they need the money. The servers need money to run. I'm not interested in on-line gaming so I simply don't play those games on line. Again no-one is holding a gun to my head. No-one is being scammed. No-one is being manipulated. All we have is people like you complaining because people don't play games like you do. Only complaining again and again and again and again on thread after thread after thread after thread.

If your take on what I've been saying is that I can't find stuff, then yes, you are horribly ignorant. You don't understand how microtransactions work at all, you don't understand why people are complaining, and what is wrong with the gaming media. It's like you can't see anything below the surface, and convinced yourself that everything is fine.

I don't understand why people are complaining because I have no problems at all finding games that don't have micro transactions, aren't on-line only. But yeah....I'm the ignorant one,

[Thomas_JCG]

On-line components are far more likely to have micro transactions because they need the money.

Jesus in a tricycle, you are beyond help. I'm done talking with you.

[Magvel]

I mean all kind of media, YouTubers included, probably more so YouTubers being honest. User reviews are incredibly iffy imo because said users can be influenced by said YouTubers, lol (And yes...God Of War isn't THAT great :P)

Didn't finish my post lol that's posting at 1:30 AM for me lmao. User reviews are imo the best kind (or I guess the least bad), sure you can get shit like "Angry man screams BOY and there's literally a command to do it so profound and deep 10/10 game of the generation". To me it's not really different from journalist ones except the user is free to word it however he likes (because if you got paid by Activision to give a 17/20 to Infinite Warfare good luck making the game look like it's worthy of that note lol). After that you just have to pick the ones you think are good and dismiss the bad ones, just like games.

[Tonic]

I know it's a hot topic, but please remain civil to each other.

[isturbo1984]

Gaming is pretty divided. I find what I love in the industry and who I like in the community shrink every day. I don't think its fair to call myself an elitist when I've stayed stationary most of my gaming life while everyone else drifted off to become a casual or fanatic. But I still have a live and let live philosophy when it comes to gaming, but that doesn't mean that philosophy extends to those not willing to do the same.--Which is very few. This is relevant because so many casuals are toxic in their underachieving play-style and misinformed nature. It's a strange world when you get attacked in every other thread on a gaming forum for just for playing games. Add that to fanboysim and you have a very divided gaming ecosystem where its dog eat dog everywhere you go. Gamers fucking suck. Change my mind.

...And that is just within the gaming community. Not accounting for non-gamers, journalists and game activists who look down on me just for existing. And also, not accounting for the industry eating itself alive right now with loot boxes and MTXs...

[aileron]

This is relevant because so many casuals are toxic in their underachieving play-style...

Why are you expecting other people to play games in a certain way?

It's a strange world when you get attacked in every other thread on a gaming forum for just for playing games.

Definitely.

[Ryan]

You deserve a longer response, but know that this 34 year old agrees with your sentiments 100% - except for your stance on microtransactions. I don't disagree with a company's right to acquire revenue in whatever, legal, means they find necessary. It's my right as a consumer to accept or deny these actions with the power of my wallet's vote.

[isturbo1984]

Originally posted by isturbo1984 View Post

This is relevant because so many casuals are toxic in their underachieving play-style...

Why are you expecting other people to play games in a certain way?

I don't. I expect people to not attack others to mask their underachievements and insecurities just because they choose to play a certain way. Please tell me how you arrived at the conclusion that what I was trying to say was I expect others to play like me or a specific way. I never hinted or eluded to that suggestion in the slightest. Maybe you are projecting?