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  • #16
    "now the govt can deal with it . . . " Musou Tensei

    "So I'd be very happy with a heavy-handed approach from the governments . . . "Latham

    "Absolutely and I don't care about the consequences." Balta666

    Color me surprised!
    I didn't expect this level of support for government regulation.

    "People must be kept from supporting it because they are too stupid to stop." Garrett

    Would reeducation camps for the stupid people who support micro-transactions be appropriate?
    Gamer Gulags.
    Would some "whale" become the next Solzhenitsyn?
    Last edited by twidget; 08-05-2019, 08:33 PM.
    “Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.”

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    • Trout
      Trout commented
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      "Gamer Gulags" fuck it, I want this to happen.

    • Garrett
      Garrett commented
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      Re-education camps? You can't re-educate stupidity out of people.

  • #17
    As mentioned already, only with gambling / 'surprise mechanics', since like... The government is ALREADY supposed to regulate that.

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    • #18
      Originally posted by twidget View Post
      Would reeducation camps for the stupid people who support micro-transactions be appropriate?
      Gamer Gulags.
      Would some "whale" become the next Solzhenitsyn?
      Alcohol, tobacco and gambling are regulated by the government precisely because some people would abuse them and lead to their ruin, yet I never seen any gulag. Stop making a storm in a glass of water.
      "I game, therefore I am." - Abraham Lincoln

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      • #19
        Originally posted by Thomas_JCG View Post
        Alcohol, tobacco and gambling are regulated by the government precisely because some people would abuse them . . .
        I suppose if you look at establishing a legal minimum age for possessing alcohol/tobacco and you think of any use by minors (people under the age of 21) of alcohol/tobacco as abuse, ok.

        But is there a statute that regulates folks, of legal age and in the privacy of their own home, from abusing alcohol or tobacco?
        How are OTBs, lotto tickets, casinos, slots (where legal) regulated to prevent gambling abuse by adults.


        Stop making a storm in a glass of water.
        Seemed a reasonable, albeit tongue in cheek, response to the idea it was meant to mock.

        “Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.”

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        • #20
          Yeah sure. Make any games which have micro-transactions 18+, and watch scummy publishers have a heart attack. I understand all the people worried about the government going too far but here's the thing. Smoking is regulated, however you can still smoke. Alcohol is regulated, however you can still get pissed. Gambling is regulated, however you can still blow 20k on blackjack. Hell Marijuana is now being legalised in areas of the world were it was previously illegal.
          Even then governments have never been successful in outright banning games or even censoring them. When games came under contention, the government opted for the ESRB, not to make all violent games illegal, they've actually been quite hands off when it comes to gaming bar some senators who got laughed out.

          The entire idea of the government being the ultimate bad guy when we're actively being punched in the face over and over again by private companies feels like battered wife syndrome.

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          • #21
            Originally posted by twidget View Post
            But is there a statute that regulates folks, of legal age and in the privacy of their own home, from abusing alcohol or tobacco?
            How are OTBs, lotto tickets, casinos, slots (where legal) regulated to prevent gambling abuse by adults.
            And truly, no one is dictating what an adult does with their money. However, it is a well know fact that lootboxes are almost always preying after children, and as such it must be regulated, if not by the industry, then by the government.
            "I game, therefore I am." - Abraham Lincoln

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            • #22
              Originally posted by Thomas_JCG View Post
              And truly, no one is dictating what an adult does with their money. However, it is a well know fact that lootboxes are almost always preying after children, and as such it must be regulated, if not by the industry, then by the government.
              It looks like Garrett would.
              Originally posted by Garrett View Post
              The market has proven that they cannot be trusted to regulate it themselves. The people are not stopping their micro purchases. No matter how bad things get, the customers are continuing to support the practice. People must be kept from supporting it because they are too stupid to stop. That is not an insult, that is a description. Sometimes the majority is wrong and they must be forced to not do stupid things that negatively affect the industry and products. . . .
              And you tried taking me to task for my waggish comments about this post and said nothing about the authoritarian sentiments of the post.
              <insert eye roll gif>

              As to lootboxes (surprise mechanics), I stand by what I said in my first post in this thread.
              Originally posted by twidget View Post
              And when I say no regulation, I'm not talking about "surprise mechanics".
              If it fits a country's statutory definition of gambling, regulate the piss out of it.
              “Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.”

              Steam: old_Navy_twidget

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              • Garrett
                Garrett commented
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                I would? Yes. It is not a product, nor is it a service. It's an anti-product, an anti-service. You break what exists in order to rent a temporary fix. And too many people go along with it to disincentivice the practice. It makes the products worse for everyone and only positively impacts the publisher. This is not an authoritarian slippery slope. This is the villain getting hanged for being the villain. And to those zealously following the dogma of free-market capitalism I say that if you truly believe that "Just make an alternative product. Competition will solve the problem." -then fine. Let your competition copy your entire product exactly as it is except without the part that leeches money off of the customers and the features that you broke to sell the intact ones are left unmolested. There's your competition. People get to choose between your product, and your product that they have to pay more to play properly. Let the product that serves the audience better win.

            • #23
              I voted yes because they should be, the problem is no government anywhere in the world regulates anything very well. People will always find a way around the system and you are not going to win a MTX argument with loot boxes when the argument against it is magic the gathering cards. Trading cards have been around FOR YEARS, its how Nintendo got started in the 1800's if I recall correctly. The digital form of that is loot boxes, they are here to stay. The best thing is to be knowledgeable about who does it and avoid them or accept the gouging they will do to you.

              Cyberpunk and FF7 special editions are no different, absolute rip offs to any rational person. Unfortunately, these two things make me irrational which I am rarely guilty of but this is why they do it and get away with it. For me its the aforementioned games for others its Rocket League, Hearthstone, FIFA, Madden, Clash of Clans or any thousand of scams someone falls for on a regular basis.

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              • Zagreus_Veritas
                Zagreus_Veritas commented
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                Nintendo made fancy playing cards, technically collectible items but not like today's booster packs. If you bought a pack of cards from them you got the full deck. =p

              • twidget
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                They are Hanafuda cards.
                Koi Koi is still played with them.

            • #24
              Originally posted by Garrett View Post
              . . . This is not an authoritarian slippery slope. . . .
              Maybe if I had used peremptory or domineering instead of authoritarian?


              . . . And to those zealously following the dogma of free-market capitalism I say that if you truly believe that "Just make an alternative product. . . .
              Zealotry is for the religiously inclined, smokers that quit smoking, purveyors of diets, cures and all other forms of snake oil.
              I think of capitalism as a simpler thing.
              I buy products I like and don't buy products I don't like.
              “Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.”

              Steam: old_Navy_twidget

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              • Zagreus_Veritas
                Zagreus_Veritas commented
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                The problem is that with games today when you buy the product you like, you might get it in a wrapper made of shit.
                A wrapper made of shit that barely functions as a wrapper, because it is made out of shit.

            • #25
              I really don't want Government involvement at all in regulation and so on, as once they get their claws in, they won't stop.
              But it may well come to that unfortunately.

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              • #26
                I don't believe the government has a role in regulating loot boxes. I do not support free to play games with pay to win mechanics and prefer buy the box. I believe that the corporations that benefit the most from these practices also are very capable of lobbying to influence and shape policy to ensure that they will benefit from these regulations. Unfortunately, the people who least can resist gambling are the same people who are unable to restrain themselves from buying those games.

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                • #27
                  It should not be regulated, but any game with in-game purchases should be automatically rated: M / Adults only.
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                  • #28
                    I hate government interference as much as the next person, but this shit needs to be dealt with now because it's getting out of hand! We need to get these scummy publishers in line like a zebra stripe, or our vidya is going to be turned into just one big glorified gatcha game. They're literally making children addicted to their scummy practices.

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                    • #29
                      At this point I am so disconnected, so fed up and desensitized that I have a scorched earth mentality. Getting an ADV motorcycle soon so there goes a large chunk of my escapism(Which cannot be tainted by blue, checkmarked knobs on twitter), and since I play older games I do not really feel for the games affected. Only exception is warframe, I hope they escape this whole mess. I like warframe.

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                      • #30
                        I don't like the government regulating anything, sadly the time of trustworthy game publishers has gone the way of the dodo.
                        the publishers have had the chance to self regulate but refuse to, so now the government needs to step in.

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