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  • Daily Poll 245: Are idle games games?

    Last Daily Poll was on leaks. Check it out here: https://www.exclusivelygames.com/for...ike-down-leaks

    Idle games are simple browser games or mobile games that are about progression that happens automatically and the only goal is to increase how fast you are progressing. A game has a win condition and a lose condition. I've only played Adventure Capitalist and Communist and those games advertise the fact that they play themselves. If you can't lose and the game plays itself how much of a game is it. I'm conflicted on the issue so hence the poll and I got the idea from Necromancerx69 so thanks to him. Come on baby don't be cold as ice!

    Check out the Daily Poll Archive: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
    25
    Idle games are games
    20.00%
    5
    Idle games aren't games
    20.00%
    5
    I can't decide
    8.00%
    2
    I don't play idle games
    36.00%
    9
    Idle games are their own medium
    8.00%
    2
    Other Opinion (Reply Below)
    8.00%
    2
    I'm crawling deeper and deeper into backlog hell. Also I stream on dlive: https://dlive.tv/jokerthefoolio

  • #2
    Well, after playing Monmusu (Don't judge me), I can safely say idle games are not really games, since you are not doing anything at all.
    These games mostly exist just to suck your money (buy gems to lower time gates). I can even left the so called "game" open in another screen while I play a serious game on my main screen.

    Still not worth the time, thank god for the internet I can find the pictures of Monmusu without forcing my self to endure that annoying "game".
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    • #3
      Yep. A video game is a video game, plain and simple.

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      • #4
        I entered idle in the "Search the Store" space on the Steam Store page.
        I wanted to see what Steam called an idle game.
        The ones with idle in the title were clickers, not idle games and I didn't find any games that had an "idle" tag.

        The idea of loading up a game, starting it and watching it play, doesn't sound much like a game.
        Then again when you play a movie, you just watch.
        If you're just gonna watch something, watch a movie, TV series, porn, whatever.

        For some folks with limited use of their limbs, it might be OK (with no pay walls or micro-transactions) for short periods.

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        • Linkblade
          Linkblade commented
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          twidget clicker games are idle games, because your score increases while you don't do anything. But your score increases even more if you do click. Idle games are not like watching a movie, because you have to interact to make the game running or at least are allowed to interact. In AdVenture Capitalist you have to click on the first thing to make it produce money for you. And in fact it is a really interesting game if you see it as a race. Then much planning and skilled clicking is involved. There are even speedruns done in clicker games! It's about the same as a high-score chaser arcade game or time attack racing game.

      • #5
        I used to leave Sim City 2000 on and go to work or go to sleep, then see if I was rich or if my city had exploded.

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        • aileron
          aileron commented
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          I did the same sometimes! But one had to actively build up the city first before just letting it run by itself.

          I used to do it with Creatures as well. See if one generation could propagate and teach the next enough to survive and so on or would they all just die off. Again you had to actively teach and care for the first generation before letting them run wild.

        • Dub-Z
          Dub-Z commented
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          I don't even really know what idle games are tbh.

        • Linkblade
          Linkblade commented
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          Dub-Z Idle games are games which are intended to be able to automatically play and proceed without user interaction.

      • #6
        Is watching grass grow a game? There is your answer.
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      • #7
        I couldn't name a game in this category.
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      • #8
        I don't think I've played one of these before and I don't care to if there is really no interaction at all. Then I'm just watching something, not playing.

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        • Linkblade
          Linkblade commented
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          aileron there is interaction in idle games! And through your interaction you can increase your score. So doing well is rewarded.

      • #9
        Jokerthefoolio "I don't play idle games" should have been named "I don't know, because I have not enough information about idle games" as I guess that is what you intended this answer to be for. If someone does play idle games is not the question here.

        However, I think idle games are games, because they keep you occupied with tasks to enhance your leisure time as that is what games were invented for. Keeping you occupied with something that is more fun than staring into the void. A game doesn't need to have a win condition. With that premise ALL high-score chaser arcade games without a proper ending or with a game loop like Devil Daggers, Swarmlake, Shooting Stars or Space Invaders wouldn't be games! I hope you don't want to state that too!?

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        • #10
          Originally posted by Linkblade View Post
          twidget clicker games are idle games, because your score increases while you don't do anything.[emphasis added] But your score increases even more if you do click. Idle games are not like watching a movie, because you have to interact to make the game running or at least are allowed to interact. In AdVenture Capitalist you have to click on the first thing to make it produce money for you. And in fact it is a really interesting game if you see it as a race. Then much planning and skilled clicking is involved. There are even speedruns done in clicker games! It's about the same as a high-score chaser arcade game or time attack racing gam
          I have about 2 dozen clickers and I don't recall that any would continue to play (increase score) with no interaction.
          At some point in-game advancement will plateau, sooner more often than later.
          If you're not interacting by clicking and/or buying upgrades (not real money but with currency earned in game) for whatever mechanics the game has, you will not advance in the game.

          In only one game I've played, Soda Dungeon, could you equip the in-game characters (with swords/shields/spells) and turn them loose without any other interaction, just leave your PC running while you watched TV, slept, whatever.
          You had to have beaten the game first to get to that state.
          That required hundreds of hours of playing the game, with combat much like a turn based RPG, to get the swords/shields/spells needed.

          Now Steam lists over 550 clicker games and they vary from very good to not so good at all.
          Maybe one of them is an auto advance, just sit back and watch game but it's not one I've played.
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          • Linkblade
            Linkblade commented
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            twidget ok, I always had a different understanding of a "clicker game", which is clicking furiously on one button to proceed like in AdVenture Capitalist or Clicker Heroes and the game goes on by itself. For me Soda Dungeon would be some kind of RPG.

        • #11
          I don’t know. Not really worth debating imo, since idle games are pretty sparse.
          I wish I could love anything as much as I hate everything
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          • #12
            List the 5 best idle games so I can try some of them and tell you if they're a game or not....

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            • #13
              Originally posted by aileron View Post
              List the 5 best idle games so I can try some of them and tell you if they're a game or not....
              #1 Karate Cat

              #2 NGU IDLE - Free

              #3 Soda Dungeon - Free

              #4 Chicken Assassin:Reloaded

              #5 Loot Box Quest

              #6 Cheeky Chooks - Free

              #7 Time Warpers

              #8 Clickers Heroes - Free

              Taken from a list generated by Steam with clicker entered in the Search the Store box.
              I sorted the search results according to User Reviews.
              The Steam search function is suspect, imo, because a DLC for Alan Wake was one of but not the only false results.

              I've played #'s 3, 4, 5 & 8. I liked #'s 3, 4 & 5.

              The Fastest Mouse Clicker For Windows An auto-clicker if you don't want to manually click many, many thousands of times.

              I listed 8 total to get Clicker Heroes, #8, listed. It's been around for years and has over 49,000 recommendations.
              It wasn't my cup of tea but being around for several years and still popular says something about it.


              Enjoy

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              • #14
                Interesting, when I saw the poll immediately went for the "it is a game" but then I had a look in more detail and realized that you cannot change the progression just make it go quicker (I did not know it as I never played one) and that kind changes my mind and I can't decide.

                On one hand anything that is a software that uses your inputs is a game but on the other hand it kind of needs to be able to change with your inputs...

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                • #15
                  Originally posted by Jokerthefoolio View Post
                  I don't play idle games so I can't have an opinion on them
                  So am I to assume that no constructive criticism on nonsensical poll formatting is accepted afterall?

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                  • Garrett
                    Garrett commented
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                    Jokerthefoolio I admit this time my comment was not constructive and I apologize. The point that I neglected to explain was that when it isn't a poll where users can pick multiple choices, you can't gather two different samples. I have friends who develop idle games and therefore know a lot about them, but they don't actually play idle games. They just want to make money out of people who do. I know a lot about idle games because of my game development connections too but I don't play them. But because the poll asks both your opinion on idle games and whether or not you play them without the option to check both boxes, everyone who has an opinion has to play them, and everyone who doesn't play them has to not have an opinion. This leaves out one of the most important demographics. People who don't play idle games precisely because they have a negative opinion on them.

                  • Linkblade
                    Linkblade commented
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                    Garrett now that was really constructive!
                    heart <3 and respect for conceding! :-)

                    what games are your friends working on?

                  • Garrett
                    Garrett commented
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                    Linkblade well for example idle games by Futureplay. They've been pretty popular, about 4.5 stars in the Play store.
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